The Quirks [July 9, 2010 Edition]

It’s almost like the House felt obligated to cram two weeks of weirdness into one, to make up for canceling their July 2 meeting.

Student Body President Ayden Maher reappeared, Boca Governor Allison Gentry announced she vetoed the free speech resolution that passed the House a month ago, my editor-in-chief Karla Bowsher faced off with House Speaker Josh Pollock, and Representative (?) Hakeem Haye resigned but continued to act like a representative. We’ll take these one by one.

The president’s back, planning to tackle branding and food vouchers

As I said, Maher returned this past week. Before that, the last meeting he attended was June 11. He acknowledged the near-month absence by saying, “I feel like it’s been too long. Sorry I couldn’t be here.”

So far, this is the longest span he’s gone without attending a meeting — but he’s still got the best presidential attendance record in at least the past three years, and as regular readers will know, he hasn’t missed much.

He mentioned that the July 21 Board of Trustees meeting will “most likely be [including] the stadium finance vote,” and encouraged everyone to attend. The agenda for that meeting is not available online yet, but then, FAU hasn’t posted a BOT agenda since March or meeting minutes since February. (Some of these agendas have been e-mailed to the press — let me know if you want any of them. Don’t have the missing minutes, though.)

He’s also taking up the initiatives of other SG leaders, including Representative Boris Bastidas’ effort to get language on sexual orientation into FAU’s anti-discrimination policy and the open-ended collective effort to “rebrand” SG.

Maher also mentioned that “the final details” of those vouchers he promised for SG representatives — the ones that will get them free food from Chartwells — are being worked out.

The governor vetoes, the Speaker slips, and statutes are all over the place

I’ll speak more about the rationale for the veto and the discussion that took place about it in the legislative update later this week. In short, Gentry thinks it’s confusing and the House voted on it just to get out of a long meeting. President Maher chimed in to say he would have vetoed it too, if it got to his desk.

But Gov. Gentry, in explaining her veto, clarified an issue I raised a couple weeks ago about statutes. If you haven’t read about that, this might get confusing.

She agreed about 458.312, saying, “It really is one of the statutes that’s not really clear.” She said she spoke with Chief Justice Mike Burdman about it:

I vetoed it the day I received it. So I asked the chief justice his interpretation of it [458.312], and they said it’s seven days from when I received it[, not from when it passes]. If this was breaking the Constitution or anything, I would’ve just signed it. So that’s not the intent of this at all.

Which is a fine interpretation that precludes any broken rules on Gentry’s part in the current situation, but I thought: it doesn’t fix the statutory problem. Would this allow for the Speaker to hold onto legislation indefinitely — giving one person the ability to absolutely halt legislation the House has already passed, if he chooses?

That would be almost like a super-veto, because at least a veto can be overturned by a two-thirds vote of the House. It’d be a substantial gap in the legislative process, a hole legislation could be dumped into never to emerge again.

To be clear, I’ve never seen anybody in SG do this, and I’m not suggesting Speaker Pollock would. But I do think that would break the system.

Fortunately, though, I found out this gap doesn’t exist, at least not anymore. There’s a plug for it — in an entirely separate section of statutes, the 700s:

[The Speaker of the House] Shall forward all legislation approved by the House of Representatives to the Governor within five (5) business days after approval. (702.212.i)

This provides a limit on how long the Speaker can hold legislation, and there’s already a limit on the governor’s timeframe to veto. So it’s not the governor who broke the rules: it’s the Speaker.

The resolution passed on June 4. Gentry vetoed on June 24, “the day I received it.” That’s 14 business days if you just count Monday through Friday.

Speaker Pollock did explain why this happened, back on June 18: “The bill signing sheet I passed on to the governor was slapped together very poorly. I had trouble doing it and it looked horrible, and so I’m going to get to [redoing] it next week.”

I should  note here that Gov. Gentry also made two more appointments: Angela Moormann is the new director of the Peer Education Team, and Ralph Landau is now a university-wide senator, the position President Maher previously held.

Moormann announced that the university is implementing some kind of alcohol awareness test incoming freshmen will have to take, “like a driving school program.” Not a start that’s going to win her brownie points with freshmen, even though it’s not her program.

Editor in chief vs. Speaker of the House

Speaking of Pollock and broken statutes, my editor had it out with the Speaker on Friday. You can read her take on events here if  you haven’t already.

Bowsher’s already known for being blunt with the House. When the free speech resolution was initially coming to a vote, she said to anyone who objected to it, “you shouldn’t be in any government in this country, and you should probably go home and pack your bags for Cuba or Venezuela or China.”

So when Speaker Pollock called her out for taking photos from a location he considered against the rules, Bowsher sat down next to me and asked me to pull up the 700s. Scanning through them, I couldn’t find anything that backed up exactly what Pollock was saying — though that’s when I noticed the section I cited earlier in this post.The only relevant bit I saw was this:

After the Presiding Officer has called the House of Representatives to order, Representatives shall sit in the Assembly which is the first four (4) rows of the Senate Chambers, or other alternate meeting room in which a House meeting may be held. (702.340)

Which, of course, designates the location of the assembly and says nothing about people walking around the periphery of the room. But there are some past circumstances that weren’t fully explained in Karla’s blog or my own. They might affect your judgment or might not, but I should in fairness raise them.

  • UP photographer Mike Trimboli does sometimes attend House meetings, and has been called out of by the Speaker for taking photos within a few feet of people speaking at the podium.
  • The Speaker has smacked down Associate Dean of Students Terry Mena for interrupting and walking up to the front to speak out of turn during a meeting before. And even at this day’s meeting, a non-representative seated in the fourth row was asked to move.

Those things suggest to me that, right or wrong, it wasn’t anything personal. But make your own call. They did let one guy who wasn’t a representative continue to sit in the first four rows this meeting, after all.

Well, he said he wasn’t a representative anymore. But Hakeem Haye kept sitting there and talking. He announced his resignation this way, from the front of the House:

I would like to resign from the House, effective immediately. Um. Bye.

Then he walked back to his seat and continued to interject questions and comments. At one point, Parliamentarian Amanda Phillips stood up and declared, “Point of order: you’re resigned.”

Which people laughed at, but they let him keep sitting there and talking.

One last quirky announcement from the Speaker: he wants to buy 5000 vuvuzelas for FAU football games. He thinks it’ll get FAU some positive (?) media coverage: “I guarantee we’ll make ESPN and national headlines.”

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44 Responses to “The Quirks [July 9, 2010 Edition]”

  1. Karson Stewart Says:

    When a parking space is designated as handicapped, it is implied that non handicapped people cannot park there, and there really is no question about it…I don’t know but I would assume this is an identical circumstance.

    Anyway – That was a well written article Brandon. And most of your blog articles are as well from what I’ve seen.

  2. Karson,

    1) You know what they say about assuming.

    2) Your logic doesn’t even fly, if you’re trying to compare 702.340 to handicap parking spaces. By your logic, non-representatives cannot sit in the first four rows (since statute 702.340 says representatives must sit in those rows). The thing is, I never never tried to sit there. I simply walked down the aisle to take a photo.

    Karla

  3. @ Karson

    Your analogy is beyond laughable!

    Let us say for the sake of charity that your analogy is correct; Karla never parked in the handicapped zone. She knelt next to the parking space a took a few pictures.

    Pollock is obviously biased and high on amateur political power. This is evident given the example of ex-representative Haye being permitted on the gallery after his resignation.

    Karla or James should file a grievance with the student court against Anal Polyp. A record needs to be created. If nothing is done what will stop these ass-clowns from doing this with a bill again?

  4. Karson Stewart Says:

    You guys can’t even take a complement…well, the complement is to Brandon anyway.

    1.) The context of the laws for permissible ‘seating designations’ is commonly applicable as a social understanding. Meaning, referential designations (i.e. row 1 seat 5, first four rows, handicapped parking, VIP, press area, etc.) only need to specify the inclusion of the parties, not necessarily the exclusion to be applicable.

    2.) This is the socially accepted standard of enforcing rules. For example, a roped off section called ‘Press area’ does not need to state, ‘and non press personnel are not allowed’. To take the understanding of the rules in purely a contextual manner is not understanding the premise of the rules, which are clear, given the social understanding of referential designations, as I have already mentioned.

    3.) The placement of oneself within the designated area, although not ‘sitting’ is similar to a person in a no walking area and says, “I’m not walking, I’m running”.

    Either way, there’s no true way to identify with a rule that is subject to self serving bias…I’ll give credit where it’s due and i think you (Brandon) provided logical sense in your reporting from both sides.

    Cheers

  5. Karson,

    I was not in what you’re calling the “referential designations.” I never was. I simply walked down the aisle.

    Therefore, your logic still doesn’t apply.

    Karla

  6. As a former member of SG and the House I can tell you this, usually nobody is allowed to just walk around the room, members or non-members are held to this rule. in fact i still believe it states that a member out of his seat is not considered to be present but they could have taken that out since I left but i doubt it. the only exception to this is when you are going up to speak in front of the assembly or if you are leaving the chamber. if anyone and everyone was allowed to just walk around wherever they pleased you would have too many people not paying attention to the business at hand, business that you are there to report on. Both parties, the press and Government have an important role in society and at FAU but they must give each other the professional courtesy to do their jobs without getting in each others way. In this case, the presiding meeting officer enforced a rule that he had been asked to enforce by those who elected him to run the meeting and nobody of those people appealed the decision of the chair which means they all must have agreed that he was enforcing the statute faithfully and honestly.

    And on a side note for Karla, if you plan on going into journalism professionally I suggest you get used to those in charge of the venue/event “relegating” you to certain areas of the event because this wont be the first time. Your right to press does not mean you can just go wherever you please because you run the risk of jeopardizing the efficiency of the event, or meeting in this case. and after all that meeting isn’t being held for the sole reason that you [the UP] can report on it, It is so business can be tended to and that business is what you are there to report on (along with the quirks) and it [the business] deserves to be considered uninterrupted by anyone just as your reporting should be unedited by the government. If Karla considers this act to be censorship of the press then at least in her eyes it happens every day in every court room, sporting event, and legislative house around the nation, including DC. Like it or not the press can get in the way and that’s why there is a designated place for them in every event. Its NOT censorship, its good event management.

  7. Karson Stewart Says:

    Karla Dude I get it- whether you hovered, floated, were carried on someone’s back, or hanging on the wall, you were not ‘sitting’…an illogical interpretation of the rule because…..

    “Not sitting” in the first four rows is still not the accepted area for you to be in because of the VICINITY of your presence, not the actual body position you are in. It appears that rule indicates the first four rows as an explicit boundary of the effective vicinity, and that the party (representative) is to ‘sit’.

    So there are two clear limitations, 1.) body position – sitting, and 2.) vicinity – first four rows. Because I am crouching within four rows of the meeting does not exclude from the vicinity.

  8. Steven M. Says:

    DO

    NOT

    BUY

    VUVUZELAS

    FOR FAU FOOTBALL GAMES

    IT IS FOR PROFESSIONAL SOCCER

    WE WILL BE THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE COLLEGE WORLD

    AND ALSO

    THE IDIOTS AT FIU ARE TRYING TO DO IT FOR THEIR FOOTBALL GAMES TOO

    IT IS A BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD IDEA

    DO NOT DO IT AT FAU

  9. I guess that I can boil this whole comment down to four words (which I will direct to SG and their apologists:

    Stop being lazy bitches.

    702.340

    “After the Presiding Officer has called the House of Representatives to order, Representatives shall sit in the Assembly which is the first four (4) rows of the Senate Chambers, or other alternate meeting room in which a House meeting may be held. (702.340)”

    @ Karson,

    I’ll write this with plenty of spaces and short sentences so that you can understand; okay?

    There are two things that are important to point out about this rule being applied to the student media (namely the UP) during last week’s SG meeting.

    The first comment hinges on the interpretation of the word “Shall”. In Meriam-Webster’s Dictionary, the verb “Shall” is defined as, “1.) (a) : will have to : must (b) : will be able to : can.” The term is a “Janus” term. It is a “Contranym” (meaning the definition is an auto-antonym; i.e. a word sometimes means the opposite if itself). The term “shall”, as currently written in FAU’s 700 statutes, is ambiguous and will remain such until it is more clearly defined either as a command (as in example “a”), or as the preference of each SG member (as in example “b”).

    But this point is a red herring.

    Why was that point a red herring?

    It has already been pointed out in an earlier post that nowhere in the statutes is there any language that permits or prohibits where the public (or media) may or may not sit (hover, float, be carried, and/or hang) unless they (the public or media) are causing a disruption (which it has already been made evident by several witness statements that Karla’s behavior did not cause any disruption so it does not apply). Because there are no statutes stating specific hovering/sitting rules for public/media AND it has been stated that Karla did not disrupt the meeting Anal Polyp overstepped his authority when he confined the media anywhere (whether it be in the back of the room and/or anywhere else).

    All I am saying is that if Anal Polyp (or any other SG ass-clown) wants to prohibit the public (or the press) they should write a bill/resolution to change the statutes to directly state where the media and public can sit (hover, float, be carried, and/or hang) instead of being lazy and bending the rules at their discretion.

    In closing I would just like to reiterate my main point (towards SG):

    Stop being lazy bitches.

    Thank you.

    P.S. @ Karla

    Silently disregard any directives from SG members. I find selective hearing works best when you imagine that you speak a different language than the person who is trying to get your attention.

  10. Karson Stewart Says:

    Oh Dan, there’s a word you should also check out…
    stu-pid (stoo-pid) – characterized by or proceeding from mental dullness; foolish; senseless: a stupid question.

    You’re not going to convince anybody that the word shall is not a definitive term. Do you simply ignore the common contextual use of the word of shall in state in federal laws or court rulings? Quit embarrassing yourself and FAU with this nonsense.

    As for the language for media..If you didn’t already read:

    1.) The context of the laws for permissible ‘seating designations’ is commonly applicable as a social understanding. Meaning, referential designations (i.e. row 1 seat 5, first four rows, handicapped parking, VIP, press area, etc.) ONLY NEED TO SPECIFY THE INCLUSION of the parties, NOT NECESSARILY THE EXCLUSION to be applicable.

    2.) This is the socially accepted standard of enforcing rules. For example, a roped off section called ‘Press area’ does not need to state, ‘and non press personnel are not allowed’. To take the understanding of the rules in purely a contextual manner is not understanding the premise of the rules, which are clear, given the social understanding of referential designations, as I have already mentioned….Again

  11. House Rep Says:

    Karson,

    I am impressed that you had the patience to explain this to them. One would assume that since they are “journalists” and all, they would have some sort of common sense. But then again, if you read their recent issue “A Guide to Summer Romance,” everything makes sense… What a lame excuse for a newspaper. What kind of editor would allow something like that to be published? Embarrassing. Just like everything else that comes out of the UP.

  12. @ Karson

    You’re a fucking retard who cannot even read. You’ll be lucky to manage a gas station after you graduate (if you ever make it to commencement).

    Again, there is no statute that prohibits Karla (or any member of the media) from the actions that she took during last week’s meeting. You can copy and re-paste your dribble ad nauseam; you’d still be just as wrong as you are now.

    Have you no shame? Anal Polyp is acting like a lazy little bitch and you’re acting as his apologist fuck-puppet. You’re so pathetic that you could be the poster child for abortion rights.

    If you (or SG) wants to delineate where the public (and/or media) can sit, hover, exist, etc. during a SG meeting then write a resolution stating so instead of “loosely” interpreting 702.340.

    The only thing worse than a politician isn’t an amateur politician; it is their apologist.

    In the great words of R. Lee Ermey, “It looks like the best part of you ran down the crack of your mother’s ass and wound up as a brown stain on the mattress! You’ve been cheated!”

    STFU and GBTW.

  13. Concerned Student Says:

    Karson,

    Could you please give the # of the statute that supports your contention that the speaker Pollock has the right to determine where the public/media can stand in the Senate chambers? I am having a difficult time understanding your justification, especially since the Pollock himself admitted that he was “loosely” applying the rule (702.340) of where student gov. members are required to sit towards where members of the public/media are permitted to stand as well. I do not believe that 702.340 indirectly states what you believe it does. Thanks.

    Sincerely,

    Concerned Student

  14. Concerned Student Says:

    And people wonder why the UP is such a failure? Because of its low-life, idiot, employees like “DanK” who don’t know how to have an argument/discussion without getting immature and pathetic.

    Get a life, learn how to write, and take some journalism courses. Maybe, then, more people will read the UP (and not only ex-UP members).

    Embarrassed to be part of the UP,

    Concerned Student #2

  15. karson stewart Says:

    Oh boy Dank…When you get frustrated with words you resort to namecalling, kind of like a child. Maybe people should treat you like one.

    I mean what am I saying, you’re right, when there’s a sign that says Press Area, it means anybody can go there because it doesn’t say that non-press ARENT allowed.
    And you’re also right on the use of the word shall, kind of like the second ammendment “….the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.” In your world I guess that means our right to bear arms can be infringed, because the word shall is a Janus term, a contranym! This is good stuff Dank, you should succeed John G. Roberts

    I don’t go to FAU, but do everyone a favor there and do not even affiliate yourself with the school in any way. I was complementing you when I said you were an embarassment to FAU because you are beyond that.

    -“You didn’t fall out of the stupid tree, you got drug through dumbass forest”

  16. karson stewart Says:

    By the way Dank, ask Arthur James and John Irving what they think about owning gas stations…

  17. karson stewart Says:

    Brandon,
    (good writing)…but surprised nobody covered the fact that a person doesn’t even need a statute to ask somebody to sit down or move location. If it was his error to use the support of a statute, why doesn’t any recognize the ability to simply ask someone to move…or the fact that there is no statute that says Pollack CAN NOT ask someone to move or be quiet, etc.

    It goes both ways…

  18. Karson,

    (Thanks.) It’s true he could simply ask someone to move, but that’s not what he did — he commanded it based on statutes. I don’t think anybody would take issue if he just asked Karla to move, though knowing her she would probably demand a reason anyway.

    Cheers,
    Brandon.

  19. @ Karson

    I don’t need to be rude to disprove your reasoning (although it is a lot of fun).

    You used the following sentence to support your contention that I was wrong at referring to the term “shall” as a janus-term.

    “….the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”

    What is humorous is that your example doesn’t contradict my point at all.

    Example (a.)
    “…the right of the people to keep and bear arms, WILL NOT be infringed.”

    Example (b.)
    “…the right of the people to keep and bear arms, MAY NOT be infringed.”

    Your argument is ignorant based merely on the fact that the 2nd amendment of the constitution has had hundreds of years of case law to strengthen its interpretation, whereas FAU’s 700 statutes have had less than 5 years and (most likely) no court cases to re-enforce an interpretation.

    Your argument is also ignorant based on the fact that since FAU’s 702.340 was written to delineate where the FAU SG representatives WILL/MAY (positive) sit lies in contrast to the clause in the 2nd amendment (that was written in the negative); “…the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall NOT be infringed.”

    Furthermore, your argument is ignorant based on the fact that there is often good reason to infringe upon the right to bear arms. Would you really argue that newly released convicts (of violent crimes) or people with schizophrenia should have the right to bear arms?

    Besides, I plainly stated that this point (the definition of the term “shall” is/was a “Red Herring” (http://www.logicalfallacies.info/relevance/red-herring/); so, it is a mute point.

    In closing I would like to point out the most ignorant comment you have made in support of Anal Polyp’s decision:

    “…why doesn’t any recognize the ability to simply ask someone to move…or the fact that there is no statute that says Pollack CAN NOT ask someone to move or be quiet, etc. It goes both ways…”

    I’ll forgive your grammar/misspelling, but your logic is unforgivable.

    There is in fact a rule/statute that says Polyp CAN NOT arbitrarily require someone to move; It is called the 1st amendment (not as cool as the 2nd amendment… snark) and it supersedes any and all statutes that FAU can or will create. Note that I delineated that Anal Polyp cannot ARBITRARILY require someone to move. If rules/statutes are written by the governing body (as a whole) that clearly (non-ambiguously) state where the public may or may not move then that is a different issue; this was exactly where my point (i.e. Stop being lazy bitches) leads to.

    “…All I am saying is that if Anal Polyp (or any other SG ass-clown) wants to prohibit the public (or the press) they should write a bill/resolution to change the statutes to directly state where the media and public can sit (hover, float, be carried, and/or hang) instead of being lazy and bending the rules at their discretion.”

    Q.E.D.

    Thanks for playing, and have a great day!

    Luv,

    DanK

    P.S.

    Your mother is still a filthy whore.

    Train, train, choo-choo train. I just served Kar-son some pain. Woo! Woo! Oh yeah. Woo! Woo!

    FAU! FAU! FAU!

  20. Karson Stewart Says:

    You know what’s funny, I was actually going to just let whatever you said slide. Sometimes there is just a difference of opinion, after all no two people can see anything from the same view. I was just going to let it go even if I disagreed, but then I read this crap you wasted your time writing and I thought, I would be doing a disservice to FAU to continue to let you think you have intelligent things to say or to let people possibly think that your thoughts make sense.

    Do you know what a contranym is? Since when does ‘may not’ and ‘will not’ mean the opposite of one another? ‘Shall’ and ‘will’ are interchangeable words, how are you arguing that the word shall is ambiguous and that it could possibly mean the opposite of ‘will’????

    Oh this is good too…
    “Your argument is ignorant based merely on the fact that the 2nd amendment of the constitution has had hundreds of years of case law to strengthen its interpretation, whereas FAU’s 700 statutes have had less than 5 years and (most likely) no court cases to re-enforce an interpretation.”

    ***What the f#%$ are you talking about? Nobodies interpreting the 2nd amendment, merely the use of the word shall. The years of case law where based on the interpretation of whether gun rights where an individual right vs civic duty vs collective right. Not on whether the word shall is ambiguous.

    I don’t even know if what you said about Pollack is worth mentioning, you obviously have no idea what the first amendment is either. I suppose a seating arrangement in your classes is also a violation of your first amendment as well because it is an arbitrary requirement for you to move…give me a break. Nobodies needs a statute or law to ask someone to move, or hold a door open, pass a napkin, etc etc etc

    Your embarrassment to FAU is beyond belief. Every person at FAU should feel ashamed they don’t call out your pure lunacy. Not one thing you said made any sense, and it is crazy that even a fourth tier school lets you walk around without a helmet and a chaperone.

  21. Karson Stewart Says:

    I apologize if I offended anyone at FAU, people like Dank should be weeded out. It is ironic though someone will argue contranyms, and tried to use a contranym when pointing out his own error. It’s not ‘mute point’, it’s ‘moot point’, and ‘moot’ is a contranym

    Lol

  22. Student Says:

    DanK does it again. He is a perfect example of why the UP is a piece of shit. The staff is full of former SG members (etc) who hold grudges against organizations and attempt to “get them back” by writing revengeful, petty, negative stories about others. Full of 30-year old STUDENTS who should have graduated a decade ago but didn’t make it in the real world because of their shitty journalism skills and lack of intelligence.

    Yours,

    Concerned Student #3

  23. Brandon Says:

    “Concerned Student #3,”

    If the people you’re talking about existed, I guess they’d be offended by your insults. But they don’t…

    There’s no 30-year-old students there, and no writers came from SG. We had one designer who was in SG, and Chuck Forbes briefly wrote sports stories but is no longer with SG or the UP. There’s nobody with a grudge in there, though it sounds like you’ve got a few.

    As for DanK, he hasn’t been involved in the UP for something like three years — he’s voicing his opinions as an alum, not as a UP staffer.

    Cheers,
    Brandon.

  24. @ Karson

    Nothing that you said is of any substance whatsoever (other than correcting my spelling of “moot”). Your points have made no logical sense. The entire UP staff laughs at your writing. Either the UP (and multiple alumni) are wrong or you are. Since you refuse to substantively articulate your point(s) I am going to put my money on the UP.

    @ Concerned Student #3

    I made about $38k last year (not including insurance and vacation benefits). I graduated with a B average nearly 3 years ago (2007). It took me less than 30 days to find a job once I graduated. My biggest strength was my experience volunteering for the UP.

  25. @ Karson

    Nothing that you said is of any substance whatsoever (other than correcting my spelling of “moot”; you got me there). Your points have made no logical sense to anyone who isn’t biased towards SG and/or retarded. Nearly the entire UP staff laughs at your writing on a daily basis. Either myself and the UP (as well as multiple alumni) are wrong or you are. Since you refuse to substantively/logically articulate or support your point(s), I am going to put my money (all $38k a year of it) on the UP.

    P.S.

    Say hi to your mother for me.

    ;^)

    @ Concerned Student #3

    In the immortal words of baseball great Yogi Berra, “Never answer an anonymous letter.”

  26. Concerned Says:

    “My biggest strength was my experience volunteering for the UP.” -DanK

    Hahahahah. I don’t even need a retort for that one.

    Nice way to end this “conversation,”

    Goodbye.

  27. “Anonymity is the enemy of civility” – Seth Godin

    I agree.

    Later bitch.

  28. “It seems there is something about anonymity which brings out the worst in us. If you doubt that, come with me into the often-weird world of Internet chat rooms and message boards.” – Pat Sajak

  29. “While anonymity is appealing in some ways, to be constantly anonymous devalues our self-worth.” – Melinda Messineo

  30. @ Karson

    You may be an ignorant apologist, but at least you are brave enough to let everyone know exactly how ignorant you are. Kudos.

    Sincerely,

    DanK

  31. @ Brandon

    How many past UPers do you think would agree with the statement,
    “My biggest strength was my experience volunteering (or working) for the UP.”?

  32. @ DanK

    I’m not Brandon, but I can help answer that.

    Let’s see:

    Well, there’s the former UPers who work at the Palm Beach Post. The former UPer who is now a managing editor at the CBS Corporation. The former UPer who has worked for the Sun Sentinel for a couple years now while still a student. The former UPers who worked or work at Sun Sentinel’s City Link and at the gazillion-award-winning New Times. And there’s my immediate predecessor, who’s making $15/hour as the New Time’s assistant web editor while still an FAU student. And then there’s the various former UPers who work in various companies owned by Tribune (which owns some of this country’s biggest newspapers). And then there’s all the UPers who’ve won national awards and regional journalism awards, including two former editors-in-chief who won the Society of Professional Journalists’ student of the year award.

    Just to name a few.

  33. @ Karla

    Thanks!

    I don’t mean to be an ass. These people are just so ignorant sometimes I cannot help myself.

    I thought of you today. I was listening to an independent radio station up here in New Jersey (out of Princeton) and they were playing 70’s psychedelic music from Spain. I thought to myself, “I bet Karla could translate this.”

    I have an addition to your list. I am interning for a major magazine (it is a monthly with constant circulation of 175K).

    Koretzky knows all about it.

    Give everyone my best when you get back home (if you’re not back already).

    If you’re not back, have a safe trip.

    -D.

  34. Karson Stewart Says:

    If you can’t understand how to use the word ‘shall’…. you have your own issues. And it is a scary thought if none of what I wrote makes any sense to anyone at the UP…

    Here’s a tip for you and Karla… and some things I’ve learned about adversity.

    *****Putting down others isn’t helping you. The people you put down are the people you’re trying to win over. Don’t try to fight the world.

    *****Stop touting the achievements of UPers, it won’t make you well liked by anyone because you do it in a way to satisfy your ego. Maybe Upers won awards, and they are gaining respect, but they have not reached an elite status that merits any bragging or entitlement. Since when is working at Palm Beach Post or New Times something to brag about? The companies you’ve listed are the only companies in the local area, naturally graduates will go there…

    *****Learn some humility. Be Humble.

    *****DanK -$38k isn’t anything to brag about, nor is interning 3 yrs after you graduate.

    *****Pay attention to Brandon, you could learn a lot from him

  35. @ Karson

    There you go with your loose interpretations again.

    You want to preach humility to me? You wouldn’t last one day as a teacher. It would take the students less than an hour to read you as a pompous side-of-the-mouth-talking bullshit artist.
    My comment was addressing the assumption that I am like most FAU graduates (unproductive).

    Who are you to preach to anyone? What do you contribute to society (other than illogical support for power hungry amateur politicians)?

    Why don’t you practice what you preach and turn that dim light of perception onto yourself?

    I do what I love and the last thing I worry about is why some random fuck-tard apologist thinks about my life. What brings me the most joy is laughter, hence my vitriolic responses.

    The only people who agree with you are the (very) limited number of SGers who are too ignorant to realize how pathetic their existence (and your comments and logic) are.

    So, good luck in the empty headed baby penis existence that you call life Karson; Lord knows you’ll need it.

  36. @ Karson

    I’m sorry about the baby penis joke. I said that before I saw your picture. You’d figure with a head that big head would have more brains; but no. Even your highlights are retarded. I was going to make a joke about your weight, but I am not that mean. I’ll tell you what, if I buy you a cake will you be my friend? Ha!

  37. Karson Stewart Says:

    DanK…DanK…DanK
    You have some screws loose…I don’t need the reassurance of others like you. It’s good to know that other people at the UP support you as you claim, but it must be terrible to be so insecure that you need the approval of others just to feel justified. (Believe me though, there’s more people laughing at you and this whole story than you think). But way to show class and professionalism when you try to represent the people you support, I’m sure they appreciate it…

    Another trending topic of the UP & alum seems to be the need to prove themselves to others, even if it means alienating their readers. Oh how terrible it would be to be one of the average FAU students (unproductive as you mention)…Good thing you distinguished yourself, I mean how humiliating would it be for a member of the UP to be categorized as an average FAU student. Several other UP & alum have made snark remarks about the general student population at FAU as being unproductive as well. Your first loyalty is to the FAU students, did you forget?

    It is insecure and petty to have to challenge your critics on who has better paying jobs, more respect, or awards. I think you, as well as a few other members need to check yourselves

    “The very arrogance that alienates readers alienates the true innovators in newsrooms.”

    “…journalistic independence can beget arrogance, or the perception of it, which alienates readers. News leaders, therefore, must create a culture in which connections with readers—and non-readers, as well—are valued, sought, created and maintained.”

    “journalists must avoid any tendency to stray into arrogance, elitism, isolation or nihilism.”

  38. Karson Stewart Says:

    I’m not the girl you found on facebook… But keep the cake Dan

  39. I was considering working at the UP until I saw what the people are like. I don’t want to be a part of a damn asshole brigade and honestly don’t want 2 work with turds like Dan if that is what the UP is shitting out. F the school paper

  40. @ Karson

    You don’t want cake? Aww man! I really wanted to be your friend. Damn.

    If this was my blog your quotes might be applicable.

    Notice how you cannot name any contribution you have made to society. If pointing this out is arrogant, then I am arrogant; but, you are still worthless (and so are your comments/ideas).

    Nihilistic? Me? No. I believe you’re a fucking retard.

    Elite? I am a teacher. I am elite in the eyes of Lee Iacocca and a few parents; that’s about it.

    Isolated? Do you always project this much?!

    Insecure? Obviously you don’t know me. Would you like to change that over cake?

    Check ourselves? Who is arrogant now eh?

    My loyalty is to free speech and the truth; FAU students come after that. Your loyalty is to lazy SGers. Fuck them!

    The average FAU student is apathetic! Look at the election numbers. Less than 5% of the student body voted (this is what articulation looks like).

    Professionalism? I am free to express myself as I please. How hypocritically arrogant of you to even make the suggestion; you of all people.

    Wait. I know what you contributionto society is. You’re a comedian, right?

    @ Ty

    Your loss buddy. However, I am sure that the UP will survive without you. Besides, they already have a tolken dork (Koretzky).

    Just kidding Mike.

    =)

  41. A journalists obligation is to free speech, their loyalty to the readers you really have problems in the head sooooo

    Fuck you Dan you piece of shit and fuck the UP then too

  42. @ Ty

    You suck your father’s dick with that mouth?

  43. Semantics are a mother-fucker.

  44. All of you UPers ought to get a chuckle out of this.

    Remember when I wrote on July 18, 2010 at 2:29pm:

    “@ Karson

    I’m sorry about the baby penis joke. I said that before I saw your picture. You’d figure with a head that big head would have more brains; but no. Even your highlights are retarded. I was going to make a joke about your weight, but I am not that mean. I’ll tell you what, if I buy you a cake will you be my friend? Ha!”

    Then she wrote back on July 18, 2010 at 3:04pm:

    “I’m not the girl you found on facebook… But keep the cake Dan.”

    Well, it turns out that the ONLY Karson Stewart on Facebook has deleted (or made private) her page less than a week after these comments were made.

    Could it be a coincidence? It is possible, but only if you believe in coincidences (which I do not).

    Not only was this huge headed Mississippi GED recipient and two time drop-out (high school and college) preaching journalism and legalese to the UP, but she was also so ashamed of herself that she lied about who she was (AND she turned down my generous offering of cake). I was even going to take her to Toojay’s and buy her a piece of Banana Dream; that bitch!

    Do you see people? This is what the Glenn Becks, Sean Hannitys and Rush Limbaughs have done to journalism and discourse in general. Backwoods dropouts now feel entitled to spew ill-informed crap without any logical support and are surprised/insulted when they are called out for it.

    She is down. I am done kicking. I just had to make one last point.

    I didn’t have to change my Facebook or lie about who I am, and neither did anyone that works at the UP.

    Oh and Karson, I sincerely hope that you go back to college and get your nursing degree (although I’d NEVER let you anywhere near me with a needle). The only way hope you have of un-fucking yourself is by continuing your education.

    Good luck.

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